On today's episode, Charles and Dave discuss Confident Software with Mikel Lindsaar. Mikel wrote the Mail Gem, which is what he is known for in the Ruby community and rewrote TMail back in 2010. In the same year, he founded Reinteractive, a development company which is focused Ruby on Rails around the world. Tune in to learn more about what he's up to and find out what the episode has in store for you!